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Most competitive list needed

Postby zshorukh » Fri Apr 13, 2012 7:19 pm

Hey I know at the moment chaos marines arnt a competitive army, but I would love to make a really good 1850 list. If u have time please post thank you.

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Re: Most competitive list needed

Postby Zero » Fri Apr 13, 2012 7:48 pm

Chaos Sorcerer - MoS, Lash of Submission - 125pts.
Chaos Sorcerer - MoS, Lash of Submission - 125pts.

3 Terminators - 3 Combi-Meltas - 105pts.

7 Plague Marines - 2 Plasma Guns, Personal Icon, Champion w/ Powerfist - 236pts.
- Rhino
7 Plague Marines - 2 Plasma Guns, Personal Icon, Champion w/ Powerfist - 236pts.
- Rhino
7 Plague Marines - 2 Plasma Guns, Personal Icon, Champion w/ Powerfist - 236pts.
- Rhino

3 Obliterators
3 Obliterators
3 Obliterators

TOTAL - 1843pts.

There you go. There are some minor changes you could make (like dropping the Personal Icons and taking a Chainfist on the Terminators), but that's what I'd run.
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Re: Most competitive list needed

Postby khani » Sat Apr 14, 2012 12:38 am

Zero nailed it
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Re: Most competitive list needed

Postby InfinityX » Mon Apr 16, 2012 1:55 am

Isn't just 3 troop choices too few on capture and control and bases (not to mention NOVA)?

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Re: Most competitive list needed

Postby Chief » Mon Apr 16, 2012 2:04 am

They're Space Marines... no, better, they're Chaos Space Marines.
They may not be numerous, but they're also not going down easy - particularly not the Plague Marines.

When the time comes, if you don't still have troops to grap those objectives left on the table, you're pretty much tabled anyways or they have decided to ignore your Obliterators and Termicide, and they are.

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Re: Most competitive list needed

Postby Zero » Mon Apr 16, 2012 3:13 am

InfinityX wrote:Isn't just 3 troop choices too few on capture and control and bases (not to mention NOVA)?

Do you actually play this army? Plague Marines are insanely hard to take down. The only way to drop them properly is with the same kind of fire it would take to kill those Obliterators, and any opponent ignoring the Obliterators is a dead opponent.
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Re: Most competitive list needed

Postby InfinityX » Mon Apr 16, 2012 1:22 pm

Zero wrote:
InfinityX wrote:Isn't just 3 troop choices too few on capture and control and bases (not to mention NOVA)?

Do you actually play this army? Plague Marines are insanely hard to take down. The only way to drop them properly is with the same kind of fire it would take to kill those Obliterators, and any opponent ignoring the Obliterators is a dead opponent.

My point is why those 3 troop choices are bette than say 4 five man plague squads qith dual plasma in rhinos? That gives you more plasma shots and one more squad that can score.

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Re: Most competitive list needed

Postby jmaddux » Mon Apr 16, 2012 3:42 pm

Add 1 more Marine to each of the 3 units to be just shy of 1850pts instead of a odd number lol like 1753pts :D
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Re: Most competitive list needed

Postby Zero » Mon Apr 16, 2012 6:24 pm

jmaddux wrote:Add 1 more Marine to each of the 3 units to be just shy of 1850pts instead of a odd number lol like 1753pts :D

The current total is 1843 points :P

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InfinityX wrote:Isn't just 3 troop choices too few on capture and control and bases (not to mention NOVA)?

Do you actually play this army? Plague Marines are insanely hard to take down. The only way to drop them properly is with the same kind of fire it would take to kill those Obliterators, and any opponent ignoring the Obliterators is a dead opponent.

My point is why those 3 troop choices are bette than say 4 five man plague squads qith dual plasma in rhinos? That gives you more plasma shots and one more squad that can score.

Because doing that would mean you go over the point limit, you would lose a body and you would have to drop an Obliterator to get back under the points, and that Obliterator is more survivable and more useful than the Plague Marines.

If this were Eldar or some other non-Marine army, I'd agree that more troops might be wanted, but as is, 3 is plenty.
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Re: Most competitive list needed

Postby jmaddux » Mon Apr 16, 2012 9:40 pm

Zero wrote:
jmaddux wrote:Add 1 more Marine to each of the 3 units to be just shy of 1850pts instead of a odd number lol like 1753pts :D

The current total is 1843 points :P

Then something is wrong with my army builder that I just got not to long ago :'( m Nids is 100% right but I guess chaos isnt?

I will have to look more into this!
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Re: Most competitive list needed

Postby DrBored » Tue Apr 17, 2012 2:43 am

I do tend to prefer more troops, going for the 5-man squads. I'd rather have more troops than the Terminators even, just for the extra scoring flexibility. The best the Terminators can do is soak up a round of fire, and at the end, if you need to contest 5 objectives and you can hold a max of 3... Well, all your opponent really has to do is take out one of those Plague Marine squads and you're at a severe disadvantage.

It's really a toss-up. The trouble I have is how much of a one-hit-wonder those Terminators are going to be. They'll shoot once and then die to a fast assault. In some instances, the consolidation your opponent gets off of finishing the Terminators off will nullify the effort to close with those Terminators.

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Re: Most competitive list needed

Postby Zero » Tue Apr 17, 2012 4:59 am

jmaddux wrote:
Zero wrote:
jmaddux wrote:Add 1 more Marine to each of the 3 units to be just shy of 1850pts instead of a odd number lol like 1753pts :D

The current total is 1843 points :P

Then something is wrong with my army builder that I just got not to long ago :'( m Nids is 100% right but I guess chaos isnt?

I will have to look more into this!

I just did the maths again and mine is still correct...

Did you add in the Rhinos? Maybe the Champions?

DrBored wrote:I do tend to prefer more troops, going for the 5-man squads. I'd rather have more troops than the Terminators even, just for the extra scoring flexibility. The best the Terminators can do is soak up a round of fire, and at the end, if you need to contest 5 objectives and you can hold a max of 3... Well, all your opponent really has to do is take out one of those Plague Marine squads and you're at a severe disadvantage.

It's really a toss-up. The trouble I have is how much of a one-hit-wonder those Terminators are going to be. They'll shoot once and then die to a fast assault. In some instances, the consolidation your opponent gets off of finishing the Terminators off will nullify the effort to close with those Terminators.

I find that the Terminators are very much worth it. They drop in, pop a Predator, Land Raider or whatever, and die. A turn spent firing at them is a turn not spent killing your Plague Marines.

You could drop them to get more troops if you wanted, but I'm saying that taking 4 troops is not quite as necessary as it is with other armies and you can do perfectly well without it. In tournaments, most players are playing to wipe out their opponents anyway, and in most cases, you either do that or it happens to you, and having the Terminators is going to help you achieve that.
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Re: Most competitive list needed

Postby Chief » Tue Apr 17, 2012 5:25 pm

More troops is all well and good, but when it comes down to it, if you can't kill your enemy, they are going to kill you, which means that, in many ways, those Obliterators and Terminators actually give you better odds of having more Marines on the table at the end of the game, with which to both take and contest objectives.

Seven is a very strong number for Plague Marines, as they are tough enough to take the hits, while still being quite afordable. The few extra plasma shots you can get with the five man squads really isn't worth their decreased ability to absorb damage in my experience.
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Re: Most competitive list needed

Postby Bone2pick » Tue Apr 17, 2012 8:54 pm

Chief wrote:More troops is all well and good, but when it comes down to it, if you can't kill your enemy, they are going to kill you, which means that, in many ways, those Obliterators and Terminators actually give you better odds of having more Marines on the table at the end of the game, with which to both take and contest objectives.

That was my same outlook back when I played regularly. And it got to that point through my game play experience, the more I could do with fewer troops, the more success I usually had. I wanted to max out my heavy support choices, and shove in the old Warptime-Princes. That's back when I thought they were awesome.

And then I'd squeeze in whatever elites I could spare points for. I guess in theory I should have had a hard time scoring, but in actual table top play my units were almost always still around and at worst I was pushing for a tie; at best I was winning.
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