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 Post subject: Zoans as IC?
PostPosted: Fri Mar 23, 2012 9:52 pm 
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I remember someone saying that Zoanthropes used to be Independent Characters, or at least you could spread them out.

How do you think that would work with the way they are now? Would it be viable to put them in a group of say Hive Guard and run them up the board?

The first big hurdle that comes to mind is the IC rule that and ICs have to move into CC if possible. I think if they were to make the current Zs ICs they'd have to make an exception to that, or you'd have to be stupidly careful about placing them in the unit.

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 Post subject: Re: Zoans as IC?
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well my first thought, is show me where it says ic have to move into cc? please share the rulebook pg number. second, it would be total cheese, that would make them so good, but the points i think would have to go up at least 10 points per model.

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 Post subject: Re: Zoans as IC?
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gorefangz wrote:
well my first thought, is show me where it says ic have to move into cc? please share the rulebook pg number. second, it would be total cheese, that would make them so good, but the points i think would have to go up at least 10 points per model.


First, there's no need to be so confrontational about it, so just take it back a step.

Second, (in the little BRB anyway) on p49, it says: "...independent characters that have joined the unit must move before other friendly models in order to get into base contact with an enemy if at all possible..."

Third, why would it be so good, in your opinion? I agree that it would be great (else I wouldn't have bothered with the topic), but I'd like to know some reasons.

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they could only be 0-3 in an army... and were split up across the board but they did not count as IC's...

same applied to lictors and biovores i think

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Sniperfex wrote:
they could only be 0-3 in an army... and were split up across the board but they did not count as IC's...

same applied to lictors and biovores i think



Yup, something that is kind of missed for Lictors, imo. The fluff has them as stealthy solo killers, but as of right now, a single lictor can not do it's fluff like ways. You need two or three of them to be effective.


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 Post subject: Re: Zoans as IC?
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I think maybe they were characters when you didn't have "slots", you could just spend a percentage of your points in different sections of the army list.

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 Post subject: Re: Zoans as IC?
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edsgotjive wrote:
I think maybe they were characters when you didn't have "slots", you could just spend a percentage of your points in different sections of the army list.


40k used to do it like Fantasy?

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 Post subject: Re: Zoans as IC?
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they could only be 0-3 in an army... and were split up across the board but they did not count as IC's...

same applied to lictors and biovores i think



Yup, something that is kind of missed for Lictors, imo. The fluff has them as stealthy solo killers, but as of right now, a single lictor can not do it's fluff like ways. You need two or three of them to be effective.



Fluff almost doesnt matter when comes to the rules it seems like.

The fluff says a Swarmlord is to a Hive Tyrant that a Hive Tyrant is to a termagant.
Going by that... the Swarmlors stats would be 2-3 times than a Hive Tyrant lol :D

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 Post subject: Re: Zoans as IC?
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Little know fact that Swarmlords are like blue jeans, they shrink in the dryer.

We just gotta remember to let that sucker dry on the rack when he comes out of a birth pod instead of tossing him in the dryer. It's our own fault. :lol:


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 Post subject: Re: Zoans as IC?
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tigerguy786 wrote:
Second, (in the little BRB anyway) on p49, it says: "...independent characters that have joined the unit must move before other friendly models in order to get into base contact with an enemy if at all possible..."


hey, this rule is stating that if a charge is declared, thats when an ic must move before the rest of the unit so that it can get into contact. this is not saying he must charge if possible. if this was the case, gs might as well just give ICs rage. and the reason it would be sooo good, is because you can take 3 squads of hive guard for the t6 then stick a zoanthrope in each squad to make it incredibly hard to get tothe zoanthrope to kill it by shooting. and even in assult, you would still have to deal with all those t6 wounds. it would just be soo good.

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 Post subject: Re: Zoans as IC?
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I dunno, it looks clear there to me.

Is it the assault phase? Yes.
Is there an IC in the unit being charged? Yes.
The IC moves into BtB before the rest of his unit does.

I use it often to get my lictors to pike IC's and then try and Hit & Run away if they survive =)


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 Post subject: Re: Zoans as IC?
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FotoGuy wrote:
I dunno, it looks clear there to me.

Is it the assault phase? Yes.
Is there an IC in the unit being charged? Yes.
The IC moves into BtB before the rest of his unit does.

I use it often to get my lictors to pike IC's and then try and Hit & Run away if they survive =)


This is my understanding of it as well.

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 Post subject: Re: Zoans as IC?
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wait are you saying, if the unit+ic is being charged, or if he is the one in charge range but does not want to charge? because if he is charged, he must be the first to move into btb, but if he is in charge range, he does not have to charge.

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Anytime a unit, with an IC attached, is assaulted the IC must move into BtB before the rest of his unit moves. No hiding IC's in combat :-)


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 Post subject: Re: Zoans as IC?
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ok yes that is correct. i thought you were saying that if a unit with an ic (in the ic assualt phase) is in range to assult, they mmust issue the assult.but anyway, your correct, although, for a unit ranging from afar (where all the ics would be that you dont want in combat, with a few acceptions)a zoan in a unit of say hive guard, they have a pretty good range, when you see a unit coming, you can spread the unit out, so that if the unit is charged, the zoan will be too far away to get into btb, ergo, not being attacked.

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