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Finish it up and this will make a fine sticky. These are the kinds of tacticas that seem most useful, at least to me.

Even if they always are slightly opinionated, and generally feature things that work best in the writer's local metagame, they were much more helpful for me as a new player than any of the hodge-podge threads like the other tactics thread in this very section.

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 16, 2011 4:21 am 
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fine cast hive guard goes together like that *snaps fingers*

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 16, 2011 6:23 am 
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I love hive guard but I don't think they ignore cover, only don't need line of sight. If there is a FAQ or ruling somewhere to the contrary could a link be posted.

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 16, 2011 8:02 am 
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I love hive guard but I don't think they ignore cover, only don't need line of sight. If there is a FAQ or ruling somewhere to the contrary could a link be posted.


Ah, I see where the confusion is. You can only claim a cover save against a Hive Guard if you are actually TOUCHING the cover. It doesn't ignore it flat out, but it ignores a lot of it.

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Read the codex, cleared right up. Thanks. I don't get to play much...

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Nice stuff. Must of taken ages to write. =)

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For the venomthropes, the biggest pro is synergy with other units. If you keep them near warriors, the lashwhips on the Thropes means Rending Claw or Dual Bonesword warriors can really go to town.

Also, 5+ isn't that great, it's helpful, but still not enough. However, 5+ cover save with FnP from a tervigon saves a lot of gaunts/warriors what have you.

A full brood of Venomthropes has the most flexibility of the Codex, and it can easily adapt to which ever style you play.

Eg. I run Pyrovores and Venomthropes next to each other, and then try and get them to assault. Because the Lashwhips on the Venoms make the Pyros Acid blood very keen =)


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 17, 2011 9:45 am 
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FotoGuy wrote:
For the venomthropes, the biggest pro is synergy with other units. If you keep them near warriors, the lashwhips on the Thropes means Rending Claw or Dual Bonesword warriors can really go to town.

Also, 5+ isn't that great, it's helpful, but still not enough. However, 5+ cover save with FnP from a tervigon saves a lot of gaunts/warriors what have you.

A full brood of Venomthropes has the most flexibility of the Codex, and it can easily adapt to which ever style you play.

Eg. I run Pyrovores and Venomthropes next to each other, and then try and get them to assault. Because the Lashwhips on the Venoms make the Pyros Acid blood very keen =)


The problem with the Pyrovore and Venomthrope combo is that it is taking up two Elites slots. One of my elites is ALWAYS Hive Guards, and when it is 1500 pts or more, the second is Zoanthropes. In addition, it is expensive, ranging from about 200 to 300 points. I would much rather get a Hive Tyrant for that, which is guaranteed to do far more damage.

Although I didn't think of the FNP and the 5+ cover save. *pulls out calculator*... That is the equivalent of Space Marine Armor, minus the weakness to ap3. However, personally, I prefer to get 11 Termagants instead and get a 4+ intervening Cover Save, on top of a FNP save, which is better than a 3+ save.

Another problem I see is that they need to charge you for them to get initiative 1 and they cannot be using Assault Grenades. Outside of Tyranids, there are not many assault oriented units that do not have Assault Grenades.

I will edit the entry though.

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/agreed!

I wasn't trying to say which tactic was better. I was trying to point out that Venomthropes are a utility that can fill a lot of niches depending what you play.

Some of the examples aren't great, but they do fill out the roles =)


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I really want the Lash Whip and Acid Blood combo to work but i dont think it does. I asked the people that work at my local GW store and they said it does not. YET the rules say in the codex say
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Any enemy model that is in base contact with a Tyranid with one or more lash whips counts their initive value as 1 until the end of the Assault phase, regardless of their actual initive value.

It does not mention initive tests, it also says the the model in base contact is initive 1, not it strickes at initive 1. But initive tests are made by the models base UN-MODIFIED initive. yea.... good job =).

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EmoAngels wrote:
I really want the Lash Whip and Acid Blood combo to work but i dont think it does. I asked the people that work at my local GW store and they said it does not. YET the rules say in the codex say
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Any enemy model that is in base contact with a Tyranid with one or more lash whips counts their initive value as 1 until the end of the Assault phase, regardless of their actual initive value.

It does not mention initive tests, it also says the the model in base contact is initive 1, not it strickes at initive 1. But initive tests are made by the models base UN-MODIFIED initive. yea.... good job =).

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Actually, read the rulebook. The Rulebook on page 8 *I think* specifically mentions modifiers that can adjust a characteristic value for a Characteristic Test. Here is the quote:
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In order to take the test, roll a D6. To succeed, you must score equal to or lower than the value of the characteristic involved. Note that if a 6 is rolled, then the model automatically fails the test regardless of the characteristic's value or any other modifiers that might apply, and conversely a 1 is always a success.

In addition, the FAQ says that Acid blood is tested at the end of the initiative set up (aka, Initiative 0) while the codex says Lash Whips last until the end of the Assault Phase.

Yes, I have investigated into this a lot. A LOT. I have ensured that it works.

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Okay cool didn't see that.

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