Faralon wrote:my son and I are interested both in the Orks and Space Marines the most over all the other factions
Oh, you have a son. For a father and young son combination as beginners, my suggestion is not to pursue Orks as an army to build just yet. Orks are fun. Orks are cool. But, Orks are demanding. Orks require lots of orks and lots of vehicles. Orks require a better understanding of the game than marines to be played effectively. My suggestion is to concentrate on a marine army for marine-versus-marine games between you and your son. Learning to play 40K is much easier with marine-versus-marine games than marine-versus-ork games. Assembling and painting an army takes a long time. And, it's too easy to get distracted from one army onto another army, and then no army gets completed. Once both of you build a marine army together, and understand the 6th edition rules from your games, then that's a good time to start building a second army.
Looking at my old notes ... GW released AoBR on 6th September 2008. I believe that the price was $75 Cdn on the GW website with the release. (Today it's $118.75 on the GW website.) At the time, I only wanted the mini rulebook as I had plenty of marines and orks. Adding tax to the $75 and using a formula of $35 for the marine part and $35 for the ork part meant that the mini rulebook (and templates and dice) would cost around $15.
Some 40Kers of the Ottawa community got together at Fandom II on the AoBR release day. Some bought more than one AoBR box. Most started swapping the marine and ork parts. Only one guy was selling an extra mini rulebook, and he wanted $25. Way too much. Another guy was looking to buy the ork part, and he was willing to buy the ork part from me for $35 if I bought an AoBR box. After selling the ork part to the second guy for $35, I sold the marine part for $35 to the first guy.
When I got home to do the math, it turns out that I only paid $2.20 plus gas to get the mini rulebook (and templates and dice) after selling the marine and ork parts. The price on the shelf for AoBR at Fandom II was $71 and not $75. I had used my club membership card to get the 10% discount off the shelf price. Oops, $30 for a marine or ork part with my local 40Kers would of been fine with me after the discounts. The price of $35 for each part was in my head, and based on a cost of $75 plus tax because one plan of mine was to find someone selling a mini rulebook at the GW store. And, there are no discounts at GW stores.
Rather than partake of the buying-swapping frenzy on AoBR release day, some 40Kers of the Ottawa community ordered from online discount sellers, and waited the weeks after the AoBR release for AoBR to arrive. One online discount seller that they used was Great Canadian Miniatures, and GCM is still selling AoBR at a discount:
Great Canadian Miniatures has AoBR at 30% off.
Shipping is "$15.00 plus 3% of the total purchase before taxes and shipping".
Besides having Daily Deals at 35% off, the MiniWarGaming online store has a sale from time to time of some product lines at 25% off, usually including GW products. I have no idea when the next sale is scheduled to occur, perhaps before the release of 6th edition 40K.
Flat Rate Shipping for all of North America has $7.99 for Canada.
Comparing GCM and MWG, GCM has a hefty shipping fee, but the discount seems to be always available. I can see myself seeking out a local group who is doing a big order with GCM of 6th edition starter sets.
Changing from Canada to the US with the GW website, the U.S. price for AoBR is $99.00 (and a Universal Template set is $8.25).
The Warstore has the following U.S. prices for selling AoBR parts, as an example for discussion:
$34.99 Warhammer 40k 5th Edition Small Rulebook Paperback
$27.99 Black Reach Space Marine Terminators Squad
$24.99 Black Reach Space Marine Tactical Squad
$4.99 Black Reach Space Marine Captain
$29.99 Black Reach Space Marine Dreadnought w/ Multi Melta
$12.99 Black Reach Orks Boyz Squad of 10 w/ Big Shoota
$8.99 Black Reach Orks Nobz Squad
$4.99 Black Reach Orks Warboss
$18.99 Black Reach Orks Deffkopta Squad of 3
$1.49 Black Reach Decal Sheet
Not included in the above list are the Range Rulers, Dice, and Templates (with the Templates having a Warstore market value of $8.25).
It's interesting to compare the price difference between a 10-marine Tactical Squad at $24.99, and a 10-ork Boyz squad at $12.99 from The Warstore. Why such the difference? I'm sure the production cost between the two is almost negligible. Well, in my view, the market sees a Tactical squad in higher demand than a Boyz squad, maybe because most people see the building of an Ork army as a much higher cost than building a marine army so they avoid building an Ork army.
In my view with about two months before the rumored release of the 6th edition 40K hardcover, the true market value of the 5th edition mini rulebook is way below $34.99 US through The Warstore. However, one must be cautious about stating absolutes. No matter how remote, it is entirely possible that GW changes the rules for 40K so much that the majority of the 40K community snubs 6th edition 40K, and prefers to keep playing 5th edition 40K. (Some people are still playing 2nd edition 40K, at least that what some of them state.) With a 6th edition snub, the market value of any 5th edition rulebook could skyrocket. GW's modus operandi is to change 40K only for the purpose of creating product sales. Of course, the new players after the release of 6th edition will buy 6th edition 40K because that's all that is available.
My point here is that the only item in AoBR that suffers from major volatility is the mini rulebook. If one wants AoBR for the miniatures or miniature parts, then one has to dig in the marketplace to find a good price.
For the 6th edition starter set coming this September, some rumors have the starter set containing a marine part of Dark Angels and a Chaos part. The rumors say that the Dark Angels part consists of a Terminator Captain, five Deathwing Terminators, a (10-man?) Tactical Squad, and (3?) Ravenwing Bikes. The Chaos part may contain Cultists according to the rumors, whatever the Cultists are.
If the Cultists are rebellious and militant civilians as miniatures, then I am interested in these miniatures. Minimally, I will buy a 6th edition starter set for the mini rulebook, and to swap my marine part for someone's chaos part, or to sell both miniatures parts. If I felt that I wanted more Cultists miniatures, then I may buy the Chaos part from somebody, or buy a second 6th edition starter set, and do the swap again and sell the second mini rulebook. I will not know what I will do until I see the miniatures for the 6th edition starter set.