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Re: terms and abbreviations for newbies

Post by Bojazz » Mon May 02, 2016 3:05 pm

Nope, MSU means Multiple Small Units. It's a concept for reducing the amount of damage you take by limiting the amount of models that can be destroyed by a single shooting attack, while also maximizing the amount of damage you can deal by allowing you to target more enemy units with the same amount of firepower. Mainly in regards to 40k.

Example: 2 units of 5 is better than 1 unit of 10, because the opponent must dedicate at least two of their units' shooting to wipe 2 squads out, but they could potentially wipe a unit of 10 out with one shooting attack (looking at you Tau/Eldar). At the same time, You now have two units to shoot with that can potentially target two enemy units if need be, whereas one unit of 10 would only be able to target one enemy unit, potentially wasting some of its firepower.

In regards to assault, it goes along with the concept of "Target Saturation". If you have many small units, the opponent will simply not be able to kill all of them before they make it into combat. A higher number of smaller units will net you more models making it into combat. Ork lists exemplify this well when they take several Trukks filled with boys and throw them all at their opponent's face on turn 1.
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Re: terms and abbreviations for newbies

Post by moreminions » Tue Feb 20, 2018 1:35 pm

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Re: terms and abbreviations for newbies

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Re: terms and abbreviations for newbies

Post by coldsteel » Tue Feb 27, 2018 11:49 am

Bojazz wrote:
Mon May 02, 2016 3:05 pm
Nope, MSU means Multiple Small Units. It's a concept for reducing the amount of damage you take by limiting the amount of models that can be destroyed by a single shooting attack, while also maximizing the amount of damage you can deal by allowing you to target more enemy units with the same amount of firepower. Mainly in regards to 40k.

Example: 2 units of 5 is better than 1 unit of 10, because the opponent must dedicate at least two of their units' shooting to wipe 2 squads out, but they could potentially wipe a unit of 10 out with one shooting attack (looking at you Tau/Eldar). At the same time, You now have two units to shoot with that can potentially target two enemy units if need be, whereas one unit of 10 would only be able to target one enemy unit, potentially wasting some of its firepower.

In regards to assault, it goes along with the concept of "Target Saturation". If you have many small units, the opponent will simply not be able to kill all of them before they make it into combat. A higher number of smaller units will net you more models making it into combat. Ork lists exemplify this well when they take several Trukks filled with boys and throw them all at their opponent's face on turn 1.
With every unit having 'Split Fire' now, this is not as relevant as it used to be...
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Re: terms and abbreviations for newbies

Post by Bojazz » Tue Feb 27, 2018 3:36 pm

coldsteel wrote:
Tue Feb 27, 2018 11:49 am
With every unit having 'Split Fire' now, this is not as relevant as it used to be...
I agree. Quite a few of these old posts are less relevant now. MSU nowadays is used mainly for farming CP during list building. Perhaps we should consider an 8th edition terms and abbreviations thread, especially given how large this one got.
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Re: terms and abbreviations for newbies

Post by Koonitz » Tue Feb 27, 2018 7:13 pm

Not just. Due to the current morale system, smaller units benefit from being less affected by morale checks. A 10-man Marine unit suffering 5 casualties stands a good chance of losing more models. Two 5-man units having one unit completely obliterated, or the two units suffering 2-3 casualties stands little to no chance of losing further models.

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Re: terms and abbreviations for newbies

Post by Bojazz » Tue Feb 27, 2018 7:46 pm

Yep, that's true. MSU is *mainly* used for CP generation, but the concept is definitely still used by a few units in the game such as squishy units with no way to protect them from morale. The main reasons it's not as prominent as in 7th are because of Split Firing as coldsteel wrote and because many armies have either small, elite units by nature or have some method of mitigating morale losses such as Craftworld's Iyanden trait/Avatars, Orks' Mob Rule, Necron Reanimation, Space Marines ATSKNF, etc etc.
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