Could someone help settle a rules disagreement, how do extra attacks and flamethrowers work. Do you get an extra d6 per attack or just an single d6 +other attacks.
IE: If I had a flame throw and 3 attacks do I get 3d6 attacks in melee or just d6+2?
are you on about the overwatch flamers? and then attacking in combat
overwatch causes D3 auto hits
but you always get your base attacks in combat (models with D6 attacks get D6 attacks)
The question is about on the assault with extra attacks not when using the wall of death move. The rules say flames get d6 close combat attacks and PE's have flamethrowers built into their template as d6+1 attacks. Now they suddenly also have rage so the question is do they get d6+3 attacks on 3d6+1. I'd assume d6+3 but I wanted to ask.
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Ronin wrote:
I have a few of my own after playing a practice game with a friend. 1) Can you snapfire krak missiles from missile launchers? 2) If a unit is behind a wall of cover, but the blast template lands behind them, do they still get a cover save? 3) Do blast templates still allocate to the front of the unit? 4) What's the maximum move distance a transport can move while the users inside can snap fire out of fire points?
I would look at my rulebook, but I'm sitting in class and it's not on me. xD
1) I don't see why it can't, it's a heavy weapon if it moves no? 2) I believe so, because unless it's a barrage, its intended to be coming from the model firing it. 3) Yes, unless it's a barrage weapon. 4) You can move at Cruising speed and snap fire, combat speed only counts the models as moving, you can't snapshot out of a transport if it's moved flatout or used smoke launchers.
Also, can someone explain how grenades work? Is it 2d6 scatter small blast?
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You cannot ally your codex with itself. On page 109, in the subsection on allied detachments, it mentions in bold that "this must be a different codex to the one used for the primary detachment".
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Thank you Scorpius,
Now for a second question, with overwatch and flamers is know its a D3 attacks, i get that part. But i was wondering if the restrictions for usual templates apply?
IE if the flamer is at the back and he can't put the template down without hitting some of your own models can't he over watch?
No, it does not matter where the flamer models are. I think this only going to be silly when some jump pack infantry fail to assault 9'' (chosen as it could be worth the risk) into an IG blob squad with heavy flamers and flamers. [please, give the reference for the sentence where it says not do this if I am wrong.]
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well, do consider you can have the same thing happen without template weapons. the other day i lost like 3 termies on the charge to some guardmans overwatching.
plus if you are really worried about it, find a way to be out of los before the charge. overwatch follows the rules of los, so they cant overwatch if you arent in view.
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plus if you are really worried about it, find a way to be out of los before the charge. overwatch follows the rules of los, so they cant overwatch if you arent in view.
You also can't assault if you don't have LoS, so I'm not sure what hiding to avoid overwatch would give you...
In a large squad you can have flamers that are at the back of the squad no where near the action, and they still are able to do a lot of damage to a unit that is not in template distance. That is he strange part, they could even be next to lasguns which are out of range.
Good spot on Line of sight being needed for overwatch. Hitting and range are automatic for wall of death.
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plus if you are really worried about it, find a way to be out of los before the charge. overwatch follows the rules of los, so they cant overwatch if you arent in view.
You also can't assault if you don't have LoS, so I'm not sure what hiding to avoid overwatch would give you...
You may able to position troops for the assault so the flamer can not see them. Like position your battlewagon so when you boys get out they can not see the flamer models but are in reasonable distance to other models they can see.
Also flamers seem to be able to give cover to other guns which is strange. If an enemy model is obscured from the flamer point of view they would get a cover save from other guns that are firing. That doesn't sound right to me. Can any one disprove this?
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kaot wrote:
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plus if you are really worried about it, find a way to be out of los before the charge. overwatch follows the rules of los, so they cant overwatch if you arent in view.
You also can't assault if you don't have LoS, so I'm not sure what hiding to avoid overwatch would give you...
awww crap, tom fooled me with that one then. i spent a whole game of space hulk getting slaughtered since i couldnt get los and he would charge me from around a corner.
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Q: In the new rulebook FAQ with regards to assaulting through difficult terrain, it seems you have to charge through terrain if that gives you a shorter charge range rather than avoiding it. Is this the case?
Thanks in advance.
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hakunamatartin wrote:
Q: In the new rulebook FAQ with regards to assaulting through difficult terrain, it seems you have to charge through terrain if that gives you a shorter charge range rather than avoiding it. Is this the case?
Thanks in advance.
-hakunamatartin
Yes.
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cj rex wrote:
When disembarking from a wrecked transport do you move 2 or 6 inches away?
3 inches.
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