Official announcement: New 40k is coming.

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Re: Official announcement: New 40k is coming.

Postby Koonitz » Fri May 19, 2017 12:02 pm

Pyropower wrote:Obvious stuff like the power fist being pretty good at bludgeoning


It's also worth noting that a power fist charging a tank is no longer a 'guaranteed' kill, like it pretty much always was before. S8, hitting on 3+, rear AV 10-11, usually meant a single sergeant with a power fist will tear most vehicles down. Now even 3 attacks, with a -1 to hit and only d3 damage a hit, and most tanks stand a good chance of surviving that sergeant. Though follow up attacks are likely still going to be able to finish it off.

It's a nice feeling that the squad power fist isn't quite as valuable any more. Still useful, don't get me wrong, just... Tanks are more survivable. Bonus.

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Re: Official announcement: New 40k is coming.

Postby Pyropower » Fri May 19, 2017 12:06 pm

The imperial knights rules are...strong to say the least, not sure how I feel about it. Especially his ability to remove a flat 6 wounds per attack.
I get what you mean about the Ion shield, I enjoyed trying to flank around my enemies shield to bring more fire on him.
But little hint at the Trygon being able to put out a lot of damage which is nice to know.

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Re: Official announcement: New 40k is coming.

Postby Koonitz » Fri May 19, 2017 12:19 pm

Pyropower wrote:The imperial knights rules are...strong to say the least, not sure how I feel about it. Especially his ability to remove a flat 6 wounds per attack.
I get what you mean about the Ion shield, I enjoyed trying to flank around my enemies shield to bring more fire on him.
But little hint at the Trygon being able to put out a lot of damage which is nice to know.


Strong? They're appropriate for the monster, as far as I can see. A couple lucky lascannon shots (wounding on 3's instead of glancing on 4's, with a 5+ shield instead of 4+), and you could potentially reduce its wounds by half. A pack of 4 Lascannons (such as on the new Predator, or a devastator squad), and you're reasonably doing a healthy chunk of damage to it.

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Re: Official announcement: New 40k is coming.

Postby Pyropower » Fri May 19, 2017 12:22 pm

I suppose so, I think I am just getting used to the new stat profiles and the large amounts of damage being dished out by so many weapons. More so I haven't seen enough stats for my army to know what can combat such strength. But if the Trygon can do good damage I have high hopes for the rest.

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Re: Official announcement: New 40k is coming.

Postby General-Kroll » Fri May 19, 2017 1:10 pm

I'm glad the chainsword finally does something. It's a nice little touch, for what is probably THE iconic weapon of the franchise.

Assault Marines should be pretty scary now, and Vanguard Vets with basic kit will have loads of attacks.

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Re: Official announcement: New 40k is coming.

Postby 4burner » Fri May 19, 2017 1:22 pm

Not sure if had been mentioned earlier, but that faction focus slipped in a mention of "Mortal Wounds" with regards to the Knight chucking stuff about the battlefield. Unless I missed it in an earlier piece, that's the first time that concept has been mentioned as hard fact, no?

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Re: Official announcement: New 40k is coming.

Postby Pyropower » Fri May 19, 2017 1:38 pm

The change to stop rules? Yeah haven't seen that until this article

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Re: Official announcement: New 40k is coming.

Postby Whitewing » Fri May 19, 2017 1:44 pm

4burner wrote:Not sure if had been mentioned earlier, but that faction focus slipped in a mention of "Mortal Wounds" with regards to the Knight chucking stuff about the battlefield. Unless I missed it in an earlier piece, that's the first time that concept has been mentioned as hard fact, no?

Mortal Wounds were described in the Psychic Phase reveal, because Smite deals Mortal Wounds. They ignore armour and invulnerable saves, that is all.
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Re: Official announcement: New 40k is coming.

Postby Bojazz » Fri May 19, 2017 4:13 pm

The imperial knight rules seem fine to me, especially considering most armies will have some of their own huge Dudes to compete with it. I especially like how it is simultaneously very scary, yet also easier to kill in close combat. Gotta risk it for the biscuit!

The super-heavy detachment is of interest to me. Not only does this allow the imperial Knights to field heir traditional "3 Knights" list, but it also means you can see things like 3 LoW super-heavy tanks/gargantuan creatures tacked onto a list.
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Re: Official announcement: New 40k is coming.

Postby Guildenstern » Fri May 19, 2017 5:07 pm

huh

not sure how I feel about the Knight changes - seems to make them really uber. Although tbh I kinda feel like they should be in that they're huge units, meant to turn the tide of battle. Of course I've not seen them in play (except bat reps) so not really sure.

Surely this also means good things tho for xenos units simliar to Knights? like the ork stompa and wraithknight etc?

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Re: Official announcement: New 40k is coming.

Postby skipgiblets » Fri May 19, 2017 5:28 pm

I like the changes to the weapons, especially the chainsword. Without knowing everything else, seems like my go to over the bolt pistol for equipping units. I did some math-hammering, and I like the power axe too.

I agree with the faction article on Imperial Knights too. From what I've seen and played against, they are either on point and powerful, or a giant waste of points. Seems like they will be a lot more consistent now.
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Re: Official announcement: New 40k is coming.

Postby Koonitz » Fri May 19, 2017 5:49 pm

The other interesting fact on the Thunderstrike Gauntlet for the Knights is that they don't mention that it is unwieldy. So it may be identical to the Reaper but also can throw stuff (with, one can assume, an appropriate points increase). Finally, might actually see people use it. Currently it's more a liability to the Knight in most situations.

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Re: Official announcement: New 40k is coming.

Postby 4burner » Fri May 19, 2017 9:12 pm

Whitewing wrote:
4burner wrote:Not sure if had been mentioned earlier, but that faction focus slipped in a mention of "Mortal Wounds" with regards to the Knight chucking stuff about the battlefield. Unless I missed it in an earlier piece, that's the first time that concept has been mentioned as hard fact, no?

Mortal Wounds were described in the Psychic Phase reveal, because Smite deals Mortal Wounds. They ignore armour and invulnerable saves, that is all.


Ahhh so it did! Thanks WW.

With everything turned up to 11 (well, 12, everything in 40k is default state 11), it seems this edition might be a genuine tactical experience. As opposed to just getting everything in position as fast as possible to start doing damage, timing your battle plan seems very important, because piecemeal attacks will just be cut to ribbons without a bit of support. With the (seemingly) increased damage output, making your opponent spread their attacks around as much as possible will be key. Interesting times.

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Re: Official announcement: New 40k is coming.

Postby Arnathos » Sat May 20, 2017 2:19 am

Thunderstrike gauntlet might have the same thing that the power fist has with -1 to hit instead of unwieldy.
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Re: Official announcement: New 40k is coming.

Postby Bojazz » Sat May 20, 2017 10:21 am

Nothing too crazy today, just stronghold assault rules.
https://www.warhammer-community.com/201 ... ge-post-4/

2 additional stronghold assault-only stratagems. T10 buildings. Basically just one of the neat gamemodes for narrative or casual play.
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