Thousand Sons codex review

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Thousand Sons codex review

Post by Warzone40k » Wed Feb 07, 2018 10:48 am

The Thousand Sons codex. We’ve waited for it so long! You can see how much we love this army here, by the number of articles about them in the blog. And you can imagine our joy at the release of the first separate codex for them. Let's see how it works.

First, we should praise the design and content – there is a lot of cool art and background. You will learn absolutely everything about the legion - structure, history, tactics, successors and painting schemes for them. Just like Guard of Death, this codex perfectly represents the legion as a separate faction and gives reason to love it.

The general rule of the army - the Brotherhood of Sorcerers (this is apart from all the others typical rules for CSM) - +6 inches to the range of any spells. This is just what you need for the army of sorcerers. Considering that TS are by no means an army of close combat, and they are not very comfortable when the enemy is close, it looks just wonderful.

There were some changes in the list of units in comparison with the Index. Most importantly, Aspiring Sorcerers can now take one more spell in addition to the weakened Smite. This makes Rubrics and Scarabs more independent and versatile. The bad news is that the price of these units has not changed. TS is still a pretty expensive army and you have to think about the fate of each model.

There are also newcomers – Now you have not only usual Tzaangors, but Tzaangors flying on discs and their shaman, who came here right from AoS. Both units are incredibly good. Tzaangor Enlightened can take spears, or bows - both of them, give two attacks of Str 5 with -1 rend. Not bad at all. But they can also be greatly improved with spells and stratagems. Most importantly, they play a very special role – it is a fast unit which can distract the enemy and take objectives – there was nothing like this before in the TS army. Also, they are cheap in points, so it makes them a must-have choice

In addition to other advantages, all Tzaangors also have a Heretic Astartes keyword - which means they do not prevent you from receiving the detachment bonus and can be affected by the same stratagems as the marines. Demon keyword discovers the rest of the code's possibilities for them. And then there is an important question – are we going to get one more CSM army without CSM? Tzaangors are very good for their price. And, I'm sure many players can decide that spending points on rubrics and terminators are just not worth their effectiveness.

Another newcomer is Mutalith Vortex beast, who came straight from FB / AOS. A huge creature with a bunch of tentacles in place of a muzzle. However, it’s not nearly as good as Tzaangors. The beast shares pleasant bonuses with the nearby units, and it’s rather durable. But it can’t do any serious damage itself. So, you might find some better choices for those significant 150 pts. But still, you can have it just because of the awesome miniature.

The rest of the units changes in the units are minor: now the characters now give re-roll of 1-s to hit rather than invuln , the sorcerer on the jump pack has disappeared, the sorcerers are now allowed to take plasma pistols, and other changes like this, which can slightly affect your tactics.

Everything is simple with a list of artifacts - there are two that you will take anyway. A helmet that allows you to get a command point of 5+ each time an opponent uses a stratagem is a must. And a stone that allows you to teleport any infantry unit 9 inches to the enemy. This is also incredibly cool, but it may not be used since you can also do it with a stratagem. Whether you need this stone or not depends on how many units you want to deepstrike, and whether you have command points for this. Potential opportunity to teleport 1-3 units to the enemy changes the whole gameplay. The usual rubrics can destroy almost any screen, lining up at the most effective fire range. And if you remember about warptime, then flamers become something awesome. So, there’s no use even mentioning the other artifacts after these two. The choice is obvious.

The same situation is with warlord traits. Absolutely all are good - reduction of damage, cast re-roll, +1 to psychic tests... But the thing is that Ahriman has to take +1 invuln save, and Magnus has to take an extra spell. And if you take one of them, it's silly not to make him a warlord. If Magnus - is not always an obvious choice (he is always being focused on, he is expensive in points, and money), then there is absolutely no reason for not taking Ahriman. 3 ++ certainly makes him better. Therefore, any other characters have a poor chance to become a warlord and, accordingly, other traits won’t be used.

The stratagems. You have seen the half of them in the CSM codex (of course, veterans of the long war are here), but there are also some unique ones - basically, improving magic. Additional casts, +2 to the psychic test, if there are two more sorcerers nearby, stronger summoning, and so on. Very pleased with the opportunity to give inferno-bolts to the vehicles, which makes a usual Rhino with two combi bolters a very significant threat. A special stratagem for Tzaangors allows them to hit again, just for two points. And this is another contribution to turning this army into an army of beastemen.

Well, the most delicious thing is magic. There are three schools represented - Dark Hereticus, which moved here from the CSM codex, the Tzeentch school - moved from the demons’ index (it's strange that not from the codex), and Change, with new spells. And here it is clear that the GW were doing this book in a hurry. -1 to hit for your unit. Healing D3 wounds. Throw [the number of the god] dice and deal mortal wounds for each 6. Wait ... it seems that we’ve seen it in Death Guard codex! And the spell that adds to your invuln war in the CSM codex. So, we have 18 spells and only two are not copied from already published books. Well, they are, but from the 6th edition book. Okay, the main thing is that most spells themselves are useful. It is a vast selection of spells that makes this army interesting and multivariate. Many units can play in a new way - the same Magnus has now become completely autonomous - he can heal himself, and speed up, and protect himself with -1 to hit. There are many combinations, and you can try and try them ... The most pleasant thing is that the enemy will never know what to expect from you – mortal wounds spam, improved shooting with rerolls of everything, ultra-durable units - all this is available for your choice.

As a result, the codex leaves a positive impression. The disadvantages are obvious - the focus on Tzaangors, high prices, laziness when inventing new stratagems and magic, non-variable artifacts and traits. Perhaps, if the game designers paid a little more attention, it would be an ideal codex. However, the potential of this army is enormous. We were given a lot of tactics and options, most of which looks playable and interesting. Well, let's start the playtests.

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Re: Thousand Sons codex review

Post by azuza001 » Wed Feb 07, 2018 7:07 pm

Picked my codex up recently, I agree with you. This thing when teamed with a small deamon tzeench detachment is beast mode. So many tricks, moving parts, things you can do, possibilities... I don't know about serious competitive play but local fun play this can be a massive powerhouse of a force.

Now if only rubrics were a tad cheaper.....

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Re: Thousand Sons codex review

Post by Koonitz » Thu Feb 08, 2018 10:18 am

Just a clarification on the stratagem to give inferno-bolts to vehicles. You first pick the vehicle, then pick one weapon on the vehicle. A Rhino with two combi-bolters would cost 2CP to give both weapons. I'm sure everyone involved can agree that 2CP to give a Rhino inferno bolts on 2 combi-bolters is FAR too steep a cost. To compare, the cost in matched play points between 2 combi-bolters and 2 inferno combi-bolters is the same. 2 points. So you are literally paying 1CP for a 1-point upgrade.

That stratagem is wasted points. They should have just given codex vehicles the option to take inferno combi-bolters in general. Clearly they thought having them on vehicles, compared to characters/scarab occult, was more costly, so just have a separate points entry for the inferno combi-bolters on vehicles. Compared to their current cost, making them cost an extra 2 points on a vehicle seems fair and rounded, or perhaps make 'em 9 points for a vehicle and make it thematic (if a little high, but I'd still pay it).

Edit: Sorry for the delayed correction. The stratagem does allow you to select a heavy bolter or twin heavy bolter. Those weapons already have a -1 (which the stratagem improves to -2), but otherwise have no comparable option in the codex. May be worth it in those situations. Especially a twin-heavy bolter.
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Re: Thousand Sons codex review

Post by Mecha82 » Sat Feb 10, 2018 9:29 am

As fan of Rubric Marines while Codex having focus on Tzaangors is something that bothers me over all that does seem rather good. Not sure if enough fore me to go for Thousand Sons over Death Guard minds you but still.
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Re: Thousand Sons codex review

Post by Koonitz » Sat Feb 10, 2018 5:08 pm

Mecha82 wrote:
Sat Feb 10, 2018 9:29 am
As fan of Rubric Marines while Codex having focus on Tzaangors is something that bothers me over all that does seem rather good. Not sure if enough fore me to go for Thousand Sons over Death Guard minds you but still.
As an owner of the codex, the focus isn't on the Tzaangors. Only the PUBLICITY is focused on the Tzaangors. They're the 'new' models for the army, so clearly they're going to put the spotlight on them to attract the people who already have all the Rubrics they might ever want. It's like when Codex: Space Marines came out in 6th with the Centurion Devastators. It wasn't Codex: Centurion Devastators, but the spolight was definitely on those models.

That and the tournament crowd are all crying out that the Tzaangors are the competitive focus of the codex (probably because they're still stuck on the whole "expensive models suck, go hordes!" mentality). That is adding to the focus on the Tzaangors.

If you play competitively, yeah, you might have to focus on Tzaangors if you want to play with this codex. If you don't, then buy the codex and put your own focus where you want.
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Re: Thousand Sons codex review

Post by Koonitz » Sat Feb 10, 2018 5:19 pm

On an unrelated side note (hence the separate post), however, let me tell you about the lore in the book. There might have been a few good things (like the lore talking about being able to bring Rubric Marines back with rituals to gather the dust back up), but overall, the lore is ATROCIOUSLY bad for anyone who cares about the history of the Thousand Sons during the Great Crusade and Horus Heresy.

As a man who read "A Thousand Sons", "Magnus the Red" and the Forge World "Book VII: Inferno", none of that history made it into this book. If I read this codex first, I'd not want to touch the Thousand Sons with a 21 foot pole.

The reason for this is that they stripped ALL of the moral ambiguity away. They took the idea of Magnus being the good person who made a grievous mistake, and his sons suffered for it, and they threw it all out. The lore in this book reads like a cheap 80's villain line-up of super-evil, moustache-twirling, evilly mcevil billy rogues. Everyone in the Thousand Sons line up, apparently, is an utterly selfish, backstabbing, super ambitious a**hole. And the only reason the entire legion hasn't torn itself apart in an orgy of betrayal (losing every battle like they're the Decepticons because 'Starscream'... or Abaddon, take your pick), is because "It's all part of Tzeentch's plan".

Imperium good! Chaos evil! Rah!

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Re: Thousand Sons codex review

Post by Jeffers » Sun Feb 11, 2018 12:10 pm

Thats a shame. Those horus heresy books were really good and i was so close starting them as my chaos legion (chose Night Lords).

Ahriman was my huge pull to the army and without the pre heredy fluff then it misses wide of the mark of the foundation as to why they had no choice but to accept Tzeentch.

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