1250p CSM (Red Corsairs)

[steam]

Hi. So this is the list that I used in a 1250p tournament. 1st game I lost to eldar, but not because eldar are OP, because I made very big mistakes. Second game was vs dark angels, I tabled him. And third game was against a very strong or list. That game I lost by 1 point.
But I still think this list need work, I am thinking of droping the chaos lord and maybe reduce the biker squad a little bit? And add 2 mauler fiends to the list?
PLS, dont suggest me adding oblitirators and havocs, because I will not do that.

HQ
Daemon Prince (Nurgle/Black Mace/Wings/Power Armor/LVL3 Psy) 340p

Chaos Lord (Bike/Deamonheart/Sigil of coruption/Lightning Claw/Nurgle) 170

Troops

7 CSM (Plasma) 116
7 CSM (Plasma) 116

Rhino (Havoc Launcher) 47
Rhino (Havoc Launcher) 47

Fast Attack

7 Bikers (7nurgle/2 Melta/ Power Fist) 237

Heldrake (Baleflamer) 170

[Kalidas]

I agree I dont think you need the lord with a maxed out kitted daemon prince like that.

Also why no trators detachments? You seem to like Nurgle a lot(why else would you have units of 7 CSM ), right now DeathGuard is very good. Of course if you did that you would have to keep the lord and get chaos spawn, just curious is all though

Also I dont think havoc launchers on a rhino are worth it, rhinos just dont last long enough to use them.

[steam]

I dont use traitors because I am keeping with the theme of red corsairs.

Also I dont think havoc launchers on a rhino are worth it, rhinos just dont last long enough to use them.

Disagree. For me, they always work very good. And for what they cost, they are a must.

[Kovlovsky]

Yeah, I think the changes you suggest would be a good idea. 2 big characters rarely pay off in low points games. You need a bit more antitank and the Maulerfiends will do nicely for this. Just make sure to keep the plasma cutters. The Lasher Tendrils just do anything good 90% of the time.

I'm not sure why you won't take Havocs however. They have an excellent price/quality ratio and fit the theme.

Also I dont think havoc launchers on a rhino are worth it, rhinos just dont last long enough to use them.

Disagree. For me, they always work very good. And for what they cost, they are a must.

I agree, havoc missile launchers are very good for the price you pay. A mere 12 points for Twin-linked S5 AP5, Heavy 1, Small Blast is very good if you have the points for them. It makes your Rhino like a Razorback with 10 transport capacity.

And I congratulate you for keeping with your chosen theme and not jumping in the legion bandwagon. I kept with my Thousand Sons theme for years even if everybody constantly told about how much they suck and in the end, I was rewarded for my tenacity. One should always play the army like they like to and not like the meta tells you to.

[Kalidas]

Hhmmm maybe you guys just have better luck than me. I have never once had havoc launchers work for me simply becuase the rhinos get blown up like turn 1

Now dont get me wrong I would never tell someone to avoid a thene they love because there is a better meta. I liked the Death Guard before they were good, I just got lucky is all. I agree entirely stick with what you like. I was just curious why is all, but I got the answer and it is a totally acceptable answer

[steam]

Would this list be better then?

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HQ
Daemon Prince (Nurgle/Black Mace/Wings/Power Armor/LVL3 Psy) 340p

Troops

6 CSM (Plasma) 103
6 CSM (Plasma) 103

Rhino (Havoc Launcher) 47
Rhino (Havoc Launcher) 47

Fast Attack

5 Bikers (5nurgle/2 Melta/ Power Fist) 185

Heldrake (Baleflamer) 170

Heavy

Maulerfiend
Maulerfiend