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vulkan Hestan is my boy and here is a list

Post by Drtabasco » Sun Mar 18, 2012 6:18 pm

HQ: Vulkan my boy He'stan 190

Elites: assault terminators x 5 th/sh 200
Landraider redeemer
multi melta 250

troops: tactical marines x 10
rocket launcher, flamer, combi-metla, 180
Razorback twin linked las 75

troops: tactical marines x 10
rocket launcher, flamer, combi-metla, 180
Razorback twin linked las 75

Fast attack: landspeeder x1
multi metla, heavy flamer 70

Fast attack: landspeeder x1
multi metla, heavy flamer 70

Heavy support: Predator
twin linked las 105

Heavy support: Predator
twin linked las 105

1500 total

basically the plan is to sit back and move 6 inches each turn with the razorbacks and pred giving twin linked lascannon support. combat squad the two units of tactical. leaving the flamer and combi melta in the razorback with the rocket launcher half hiding in cover or what not. rush the speeders in range to pop as many tanks as possible, or squash some hordes with the twin linked heavy flamer.
then of course he'stan with the termies up the middle to crack any other hard shells my opponents got. with my local meta/environment as the key target of the build.
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Post by SonsofRuss » Sun Mar 18, 2012 6:50 pm

this list looks crazy. so i was wondering, can you purchase a vehicle if the squad cant fit in it? i have seen wolf players do this and it doesnt make since to me.
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Post by Drtabasco » Sun Mar 18, 2012 7:03 pm

Yes you actually can. You are just unable to place the unit within the transport. But that's why ill usually combat squad them unless its kill points. Throw 5 in and 5 out

Hell you can buy a drop pod for a unit and not even put them in it
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Post by MFletch » Sun Mar 18, 2012 7:34 pm

I would either:
1) go for rhinos.
2)drop the assault termies.

This is as it separates to game play into sitting a little back from going forward. At lowish points like 1500 things need to work well together.

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Post by Drtabasco » Sun Mar 18, 2012 7:48 pm

My biggest issue with my previous lists is that I'm so limited in the first few turns. I push toward but I hardly had anything to soften up my opponent. Salamanders are close to mid ranged. I just felt the extra twin linked Las would compliment the bursty impact they do have. Crack some shells open and roast em over a heavy twin linked flamer.
What'd you suggest replacing the termies with
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Post by BewareOfTom » Sun Mar 18, 2012 8:22 pm

Drtabasco wrote:HQ: Vulkan my boy He'stan 190

Elites: assault terminators x 5 th/sh 200
Landraider redeemer
multi melta 250
crusader > redeemer

troops: tactical marines x 10
rocket launcher, flamer, combi-metla, 180
Razorback twin linked las 75
I go meltagun, and razoback with lascannon, TL plasmagun. maybe a lascannon since your combat squading anyways

troops: tactical marines x 10
rocket launcher, flamer, combi-metla, 180
Razorback twin linked las 75
above

Fast attack: landspeeder x1
multi metla, heavy flamer 70

Fast attack: landspeeder x1
multi metla, heavy flamer 70
good, and put the flamers on the bottom :P

Heavy support: Predator
twin linked las 105

Heavy support: Predator
twin linked las 105
autocannon lascannon sides... TL LC is too much for what you get, but I'd probably just go thunderfire cannons or maybe vindicators

1500 total
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Post by TyrantEatos » Sun Mar 18, 2012 9:36 pm

I always go Redeemer over crusader mostly due to my lack of the H-Bolters

Also on the razorbacks give them Multi meltas lol IA books
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Post by SonsofRuss » Sun Mar 18, 2012 9:47 pm

yeah sorry tom i agree with tyrantEatos, redeemers with salamander and the twin linked flamestorm flamer it would work out so much better.
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Post by BewareOfTom » Sun Mar 18, 2012 10:11 pm

vulkan doesnt effect the flamestorm cannon.... check the FAQ
I always go Redeemer over crusader mostly due to my lack of the H-Bolters
what do you mean lack of heavy bolters?
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Post by Drtabasco » Sun Mar 18, 2012 10:59 pm

BewareOfTom wrote:
Drtabasco wrote:HQ: Vulkan my boy He'stan 190

Elites: assault terminators x 5 th/sh 200
Landraider redeemer
multi melta 250
crusader > redeemer

troops: tactical marines x 10
rocket launcher, flamer, combi-metla, 180
Razorback twin linked las 75
I go meltagun, and razoback with lascannon, TL plasmagun. maybe a lascannon since your combat squading anyways

troops: tactical marines x 10
rocket launcher, flamer, combi-metla, 180
Razorback twin linked las 75
above

Fast attack: landspeeder x1
multi metla, heavy flamer 70

Fast attack: landspeeder x1
multi metla, heavy flamer 70
good, and put the flamers on the bottom :P

Heavy support: Predator
twin linked las 105

Heavy support: Predator
twin linked las 105
autocannon lascannon sides... TL LC is too much for what you get, but I'd probably just go thunderfire cannons or maybe vindicators

1500 total
i appreciate the criticism but all of those suggestions just make things more expensive. i would love to take all the upgrades in which you suggested but they basically didnt make the cut because i want to fit in the land speeders. they take way too much advantage of vulkans ability to ignore. as well they are incredible mobile which i like to play in to. i was able to part with the autocannon las pred because i like to be able to keep my mechs moving. when i move it i have to chose between the autocannon or a single las shot. which isnt necessarily the most reliable thing in the world. i love twin linked because i can count on it. i would take the vindicator but i already have so much template saturation in such an outrageously tight list. i would though consider it but i would be points over if i switched the preds for the vindicators. also i havent had much luck with the tacs using metlaguns. they are free but i usually only get a shot off. yea twin linked but the squad usually is followed up by dying. i feel the missile launcher just gives me a little more poke. though again lol id take the lascannon if i had points.

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Post by Corpsey » Sun Mar 18, 2012 11:12 pm

BewareOfTom wrote:what do you mean lack of heavy bolters?
Hurricane?
I personally prefer the redeemer anyway, it's not like you're lacking bolter shots, it's cheaper and doesn't have a wasteful transport cap. On the whole I think it's a better platform.

My only qualm with the list are the preds. They don't seem like they have much of a niche. Minor adjustments would be swapping twin las to lasplas on the razors.
Maybe drop the preds and pick up an ironclad?
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Post by SonsofRuss » Mon Mar 19, 2012 12:13 am

BewareOfTom wrote:vulkan doesnt effect the flamestorm cannon.... check the FAQ
I always go Redeemer over crusader mostly due to my lack of the H-Bolters
well that has nothing to do with the FAQ, its just in his rules as stated he effects, flamers, heavy flamers, meltas, and multi meltas. so i was wrong
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Post by asherum » Fri Mar 23, 2012 6:43 pm

i'm sorry to tell you that you can't do that a decated transport must be able to hold all of the unit it was payed for i had this come up in terniments i have been in and they ruled it one way then someone found it in the rulebook and they changed the ruling it is not legal to do that :(

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Post by Corpsey » Fri Mar 23, 2012 7:13 pm

http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m2170014a_Space_Marine_FAQ_Version_1_3_January_2012.pdf wrote:Q: Some Space Marine squads can take a Razorback as
a dedicated transport. A Razorback has a transport
capacity of six models. Can you still choose this as a
dedicated transport for a squad with more than six
models? (p77)
A: Yes.
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Post by Spetsnaz911 » Sat Mar 24, 2012 9:32 am

ye sorry to tell u but buying a dedicated transport has nothing to do with the unit fitting or not. just no other unit can start in that vehicle.

personally for salamanders, to maximise vulkan i'd go for a drop pod list.

so for 1500 points i'd try this:

Vulkan

2x tac squads with multimelta, melta, combiflamer and powerfist - 210 x2
drop pods with locator beacons 45 x2

dread with heavy flamer and multimelta - 115
drop pods with locator beacons 45

land speeder mm and hf - 70
land speeder mm and hf - 70
land speeder mm and hf - 70

Termis 3xth/ss 2x lcs - 200
Legion x5 - mm, powerfist and meltagun - 230

1500 on the dot.

u have:
7 twin linked multi meltas
3 twinlinked melta guns
2 twinlinked flamers
5 twinlinked heavy flamers
3 mastercrafted thunder hammers

vulkan just joined a tac squad then goes off to wreck some stuff, quite sturdy on his own with the 3++.

everything else just deepstrikes where you want it and wrecks, with no scattering :)

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