Deathwatch characters in regular 40K armys

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Deathwatch characters in regular 40K armys

Post by mikeonhisbike » Thu May 10, 2018 1:17 am

Hi crew - hope someone can give some guidance.
I play a Salamanders chapter of SM and would like to include a model of Garran Branatar from the Deathwatch in my lineup.
Question is - can I? if so - how?
Or have I just got myself a miniature that will look awesome sitting on the shelf?

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Re: Deathwatch characters in regular 40K armys

Post by Koonitz » Thu May 10, 2018 9:30 am

Assuming you just want to use the model, then you can proxy it as whatever you feel is appropriate. (ie: This guy is a Salamanders Captain/Lieutenant!)

If you want to use existing rules for the model, assuming it is a <Deathwatch> <Character>, then you will have to use the normal rules for building an army that uses different keywords. As most everyone uses the rules for battleforged, you will want to abide by the following rules:

1) ALL models across ALL detachments in your ENTIRE army must share at least ONE faction keyword. In your case, both Salamanders and your Deathwatch character would share <Imperium> and <Adeptus Astartes> as a keyword.
1a) Note that there is a current FAQ BETA rule for MATCHED PLAY that means that the <Imperium> faction keyword may not be used within a single detachment (though it may still be used across the army). What this means is that you would either have to pick a different faction keyword (ie: <Adeptus Astartes>) for your detachment, or include your Deathwatch character in a different detachment than your Salamanders.

2) Bear in mind that if you include your Deathwatch character in the same detachment as your Salamanders, you would lose your Salamanders Chapter Tactics in that detachment. As such, I would recommend you field him in a separate detachment.

However, I cannot find any unique rules for a character named Garran Branatar. I assume he is a named model that simply uses a generic model's rules. As such, you will want to abide by the normal rules I listed above, except using the generic model, instead of any named model. I will assume he is a generic watch master for the example I am about to give below:

What you will want to do, assuming you are playing Matched Play, with the BETA rule in effect, is simply to have two detachments. One (or more) detachments of Salamanders as normal, and one detachment of Deathwatch, which includes the model you wish to bring. Note that the only way to bring no other Deathwatch, and only the one model you want, you would have to bring an Auxiliary Support Detachment, which would cost you 1 CP. Otherwise, you will have to add him to a detachment that includes other Deathwatch models (ie: Bring a Recon detachment of him + 1 Deathwatch Troops choice + any other Deathwatch units that might fit in a recon detachment).
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Re: Deathwatch characters in regular 40K armys

Post by Salamand3rs4Lyfe » Thu May 10, 2018 7:16 pm

Koonitz wrote:
Thu May 10, 2018 9:30 am
However, I cannot find any unique rules for a character named Garran Branatar. I assume he is a named model that simply uses a generic model's rules. As such, you will want to abide by the normal rules I listed above, except using the generic model, instead of any named model. I will assume he is a generic watch master for the example I am about to give below:
Garren Branatar is the name for the salamanders terminator with a heavy flamer that you recieve in the Kill team in the Deathwatch:overkill boxed game
Armies i collect:
11,115pts csm The Privileged
7,268pts Salamanders
1,200pts gsc Sons of Jormangandr

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Re: Deathwatch characters in regular 40K armys

Post by Koonitz » Thu May 10, 2018 7:29 pm

Salamand3rs4Lyfe wrote:
Thu May 10, 2018 7:16 pm
Koonitz wrote:
Thu May 10, 2018 9:30 am
However, I cannot find any unique rules for a character named Garran Branatar. I assume he is a named model that simply uses a generic model's rules. As such, you will want to abide by the normal rules I listed above, except using the generic model, instead of any named model. I will assume he is a generic watch master for the example I am about to give below:
Garren Branatar is the name for the salamanders terminator with a heavy flamer that you recieve in the Kill team in the Deathwatch:overkill boxed game
Oh, then just paint him up as a Salamanders Terminator with heavy flamer and include him in a squad as necessary.
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Re: Deathwatch characters in regular 40K armys

Post by mikeonhisbike » Thu May 10, 2018 8:10 pm

Koonitz, Salamand3rs4Lyfe,

Thanks for the feedback and guidance.

I found the following datasheet online: https://www.games-workshop.com/resource ... tch-en.pdf

States the model is 60 pts with heavy flamer, master-crafted meltagun and master-crafted power fist. Noting the standard termie is 26 pts, can I assume/presume that Garran is 60 pts INCLUSIVE of wargear.

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Re: Deathwatch characters in regular 40K armys

Post by Koonitz » Thu May 10, 2018 8:30 pm

mikeonhisbike wrote:
Thu May 10, 2018 8:10 pm
Koonitz, Salamand3rs4Lyfe,

Thanks for the feedback and guidance.

I found the following datasheet online: https://www.games-workshop.com/resource ... tch-en.pdf

States the model is 60 pts with heavy flamer, master-crafted meltagun and master-crafted power fist. Noting the standard termie is 26 pts, can I assume/presume that Garran is 60 pts INCLUSIVE of wargear.

M
That datasheet is for 7th Edition and, as such, is unusable in 8th. The points cannot also be assumed, as they would be based on incorrect stat-lines and wargear performance.

At this point, your best bet would be to wait until the Deathwatch Codex releases on Saturday, and see if he appears within it as a special character. If so, then the codex would give you the details on how to field him. If not (as he did not appear in the Index, I'm assuming this will be the case), I would recommend writing an e-mail to Games Workshop asking about how you would field the model in 8th Edition. It may prompt them to provide an FAQ update on how to use the models from the Deathwatch: Killteam game.

Or, they may say those characters are for the boardgame only and are not usable in 40k, thus you may have to proxy as a generic model.

Either way, you'd have your answer as, right now, that model is not usable in 8th Edition 40k as is.
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