I understand your reasoning friend, however I've been there done that with systems that use d10's and d20's, and I still much rather prefer d6's, and if Matt were to entertain the idea of going with different dice that would require a bit of work tweaking the current numbers...

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This discussion is great, but I highly doubt that I'll switch from using d6s.

I understand that other dice might be better, but the prevalence of d6s, as well as people just being used to them, makes me want to use them.

DnD is a d20 system, and at upper levels has you combine different die types for a single roll.

Worlds of Darkness uses the D10 system.

The previous edition of Shadowrun uses all d6 (don't know about the current edition)

Not having your customer have to buy yet another thing to play your game is a good thing.

Added cost for little to no gain.


True, you just have to readjust all the target numbers, and modifiers accordingly.

That could be done, but for the additional complexity what are you gaining?


Sorry, it isn't unique, it has been done before.



Might I refer you to :
http://www.thedarkfortress.co.uk/tech_reports/2_dice_rolls.htm

Dice probability is fairly easy to calculate. When you start throwing in re-rolls, and roll 3 drop the higher, they can get a little trickier. But fundamentally they are pretty simple.

In what way? Having them have to go buy dice most of them don't have is a detractor from the game, and once they do have them, is generally irrelevant what your rolling as long as the target numbers have already been though out.



Partnering with another company adds complexity to the entire project, now you have 2 companies with different deadlines, possibly combined packaging, added time to work out deals. Doesn't seem worth it for a budding game.


True, however I'd put money that most people that have d10's have d6's, and most people that have d6's don't have d10's. d10's are much more uncommon.


Also true, however does miniwargaming make it's own dice? Do you work for a dice company?



Not true at all. Most mini games that have a role playing alternative (40k / Deathwatch) (Fantasy / Fantasy RPG) (DnD mini's / DnD) use different systems all together. From different dice, to some systems including cards. Then add on top of that that RPG's that only use d6's (shadowrun) exist...

Also add on role players tend to have an eclectic taste, and will get into near any game just because it sounds cool (at least the ones I've known of my life) and I don't think there is anything stopping them, other then getting the rule book and the figures, besides, we already know most of them have d6's handy.

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With a game with as many layers and tactical thought that DP offers, it is best to use a dice system that a large percent of all wargamers are accustomed too. This is a game that is going to require you to think about tactics more so than most games out there, and to throw in a new dice system will only serve to make the learning curve steeper for new players.

I tried to get into Infinity, but, not having a d20 on hand or a place that I could easily pick some up, it turned me off and I ended up selling off my Infinity stuff, despite how interesting the game seemed.

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Few dices in starter set will resolve problem you had with Infinity.

When choosing type of dice to use, should be rather considered playability and simplicity of created system.

Keep discussion live. There is still a chance to convince Matt.
Whichever dices are going to be chosen I'm going to play DP. Mind that you will could not change your mind after game release, Matt.

Has any one even try a play test with a few different dice?

Probably a few, the greater majority - no.

D6's are fine in my book, let's keep it simple and accessible, I spent $6 on 6 D20's roughly for Infinity.

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Honestly you just made the major point of using 2d6 abundantly clear. It has a higher probablity of producing the statistical average that other dice systems lack.

Warhammer (both kinds) that uses one dice has two main problems. One is randomness, with the odds of critial failure being somewhat high. The other is how much each singel stat matters. Space Marines, hitting on 3+ have great ballistic skill. Imperial Guard hitting on 4 however is rather meh. Especially when you can discount the 1 in terms of odds as it's a miss no matter what.

Two d6 puts more control in the players hand by letting them run the numbers in their head and having a higher probablity of actually making the average roll.

Also, miniature wargaming is expensive as is. Asking people to shell out even more JUST for your game is not a good business strategy.