Leadership in different armies

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Leadership in different armies

Post by oscisi » Fri Jun 26, 2015 6:38 am

Hello!

I have a firm belief that Leadership is one of the most important aspects to having a powerful army. I have now spent quite some time trying to find a list of the general pshychology of different factions but failed to do so. Maybe it doesn't exsist? In that case, I would like to ask you guys for help!

Can you please help me create a list with all the armies of Fantasy and their "average leadership"? Organised from the best to the worst... Something like this:

1. Dwarf: Very good
2. Elves: Good
3. Chaos: Good
4. Empire: Above average
5. Bretonnia: Average
6. Orcs and goblins: Below average
7. Skaven: Bad

and so on.. you get it ;) Maybe it would make even more sense to have the leadership actually rated in numbers?

I look forward to you feedback!
Thanks! :)
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Re: Leadership in different armies

Post by Hedonismbot » Fri Jun 26, 2015 8:42 am

Considering that age of Sigmar is about to hit shelves I wouldn't bother with this right now. Everything could very well be irrelevant.
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Re: Leadership in different armies

Post by oscisi » Fri Jun 26, 2015 8:53 am

Is the change really going to be that big? I'm imagining that the armies will still keep their main characteristics..? Goblins are always a horde of frantic scared bastards and dwarves are always stubborn badasses.. ;)

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Re: Leadership in different armies

Post by coldsteel » Fri Jun 26, 2015 11:34 am

We honestly have no clue what is going to happen.
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Re: Leadership in different armies

Post by ParanoidEngineer » Fri Jun 26, 2015 11:39 am

Not even joking, Goblins could turn into Stone Cold Steve Au- badasses blessed by Grimgor, whilst Dwarfs are left cowardly and frail by the loss of their ancestral home: we just don't know.

Hell, leadership as we know it may disappear entirely and be replaced by the Courage system from LOTR or something crazy like that!

...I just realised that if this turns out to be nothing special GW are going to be getting so much flak.
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Re: Leadership in different armies

Post by oscisi » Fri Jun 26, 2015 12:14 pm

Ok, now I get it! GW has promised to do a complete overhaul for this edition of the game? So I'm guessing it will be the biggest change since a couple of editions back?

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Re: Leadership in different armies

Post by Kovlovsky » Fri Jun 26, 2015 1:05 pm

oscisi wrote:Hello!

I have a firm belief that Leadership is one of the most important aspects to having a powerful army. I have now spent quite some time trying to find a list of the general pshychology of different factions but failed to do so. Maybe it doesn't exsist? In that case, I would like to ask you guys for help!

Can you please help me create a list with all the armies of Fantasy and their "average leadership"? Organised from the best to the worst... Something like this:

1. Dwarf: Very good
2. Elves: Good
3. Bretonnia: Average
4. Skaven: Bad

and so on.. you get it ;) Maybe it would make even more sense to have the leadership actually rated in numbers?

I look forward to you feedback!
Thanks! :)
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What the previous posters have said is very true and we might end with a new completely different game. However, if you want still to classify the armies, Warriors of Chaos would be slighty under the Elves because they have access to units with Ld 7 and under like Marauders, Trolls, etc. The Empire would be slighty ahead of Bretonia, Orcs would be about equal to Bretonia, maybe slightly under them. I don't know the other armies enough to help you.
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Re: Leadership in different armies

Post by oscisi » Fri Jun 26, 2015 1:24 pm

Thank you!
I updated the list and am awaiting the new edition with increased interest! :D

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Re: Leadership in different armies

Post by ParanoidEngineer » Fri Jun 26, 2015 1:58 pm

Hell why not, I'm feeling nostalgic at the moment:

Ogres are average, they hover from LD 7-9 and don't really have any buffs to that.

Daemons and Undead are Unbreakable so they never, ever run - dunno if that counts as 'not applicable' or 'better than Dwarfs' but I'll leave that open to debate.

Lizardmen are good: they have solid leadership and a special rule that makes it easier to pass morale checks.

Beastmen are below average: they have no special rules to buff their leadership and only one general gives them any sort of buff to morale checks.
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Re: Leadership in different armies

Post by Kovlovsky » Fri Jun 26, 2015 1:59 pm

I would rather say that the Empire is still average, but slightly superior to Bretonnia since their troops are Ld 7 instead of the Men-at-Arm's Ld 6. But Ld 7 is very average.
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Re: Leadership in different armies

Post by Arnathos » Fri Jun 26, 2015 2:00 pm

Your Leadership thing is kind of wrong, Warriors of chaos have really average leadership in general, only the Daemon Prince and some chaos lords are Ld9. They are about on par with Empire. Depending on army composition, Bretonnia might have both of them beat.

Skaven have the best Leadership, they can easily get Ld10 on most of their units, with exception of skirmishers and some single units.
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Re: Leadership in different armies

Post by Hedonismbot » Sun Jun 28, 2015 5:57 pm

Arnathos wrote:Your Leadership thing is kind of wrong, Warriors of chaos have really average leadership in general, only the Daemon Prince and some chaos lords are Ld9. They are about on par with Empire. Depending on army composition, Bretonnia might have both of them beat.

Skaven have the best Leadership, they can easily get Ld10 on most of their units, with exception of skirmishers and some single units.

That's why you go Vamp counts and tomb kings. Leadship test, what the hell is that? :wink:
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Re: Leadership in different armies

Post by Arnathos » Sun Jul 05, 2015 11:21 am

While Vampire counts generally don't care, in my experience a Tomb King's Ld10 inspiring presence bubble as well as the presence of Tomb Princes can be invaluable to prevent crumble, especially since it is rather easy to kill the hierophant.
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Re: Leadership in different armies

Post by Hedonismbot » Mon Jul 13, 2015 9:39 am

I'd say it's the opposite.

Tk units have a fairly decent ld on average, compared to VC in terms in crumbling.

Then again, I immediately went over to undead legions, even though I was still using a VC army, because crumbling was stupid and no other army in the game had a mechanic like that, which screwed you over for losing a single model.

Not that it matter anymore. Now everyone's unstable, though apparently we have the best or whatever it is now, so we lose less guys in combat on average from this.

We still lose plenty of models from regular wounds, as undead troops are still pretty poopy.
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