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New to WHFB, have painted Dark Elves models, need help

Post by simferno » Wed Nov 19, 2014 10:21 am

Hello, I have a couple of units of dark elves (list below). I've painted the models but never played WHFB (I play 40k). I'm looking into starting to play WHFB and looking for a good standard points level to limit myself after and to create my army around.

Here are my questions: What are some common points values people play in WHFB? (In 40k there's 1000, 1500, 1750, 1850, 2000 etc)

What units might be a compliment to the ones I already have to get a well-rounded army?

Here's what I've got so far, 979 points WYSIWYG:

Heroes
Lokhir Fellheart

Sorceress

Core units
20 dreadspears
musician
standard bearer

12 darkshards
lordling

Special Units
5 Cold one knights
musician
standard bearer
dread knight

6 shades

Special Units
Reaper bolt thrower

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Re: New to WHFB, have painted Dark Elves models, need help

Post by Kovlovsky » Wed Nov 19, 2014 10:31 am

For points value, it depends of where you come from. In Europe and a good part of the world, the standard tournament size is 2400 points. In North America, 2000 or 2500 points are very common from what I heard. I'm still beginning so I may be wrong, but that's what I heard. Take into account that point values are generally higher in Fantasy than 40k, particularly for named characters. For your army, I will let the Dark Elves specialists do the job, but with a quick look, it looks about a right beginning. When you will have the model for it, add a Battle Standard Bearer. It allows you to reroll your failed leaderships tests and morale is more important in Fantasy than 40k as very little armies and units have the equivalent of fearless or immune to fear and other nasty psychologic warfare stuff. Your army look very nice btw.

Just remember that for your army composition to be legit, you have a minimum of 25% of your points invested into your cores. In the basic rulebook, you can't have more than 25% Lords and 25% heroes, but with the End times, you can reach 50% Lords and 50% Heroes, but you still have to have 25% cores. You can have up to 50% of Special choices and 25% Rares.
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Re: New to WHFB, have painted Dark Elves models, need help

Post by simferno » Wed Nov 19, 2014 1:22 pm

Thanks for the general advice! So far my lords fill up 32% of the points and my core fills 33%. The lords % will decrease as I add more units. I'll basically add more units, and some of them has to core aswell. I'm thinking about getting the Dark elves "battleforce" box since it's a good deal (20% off).

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Re: New to WHFB, have painted Dark Elves models, need help

Post by Honourblade » Wed Nov 19, 2014 5:28 pm

Generally most of the European and Australia (Some of Asia), is 2400 Points STT (Standard Tournament Template), with 10 Harpoints allowed, generally a good starting point is 1600 Points, 2000 Points and then 2400 Points, however make sure you are always building to the 2400 Point list, otherwise you will reach 2400 Points and have 2000 Points worth of models you will never do, also, keep in mind with Fantasy it is generally shunned upon (Not to mention illegal in Tournaments) to tailor your list, and pick what Lore you will be using after you see your opponents army and it will generally have to be written on your list. Do you want a basic 1600 Point list id recommend you build towards to give you a taste? I can skip the gun and go to 2400 Points, I am good with Elves.

Did you want the army to have a certain feel? Did you ever want to enter tournaments? Do you want a fun army or a competitive one? Let us know man.

Nice paint job too, looks good, and not a bad starting list, I will see if I can't do something to it now.. I will edit this post with the list when I am done, looks good though for a first attempt, no BSB will kill you, but to be honest, I only have 1 list where I use one, they are good, but you need more points on the board to do it properly I think.

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LORDS - 220 Points

Supreme Sorceress - Level 4, Lore of Life

HEROES - 92

Assassin - Additional Handweapon

CORE - 329 Points

10 Darkshards - Shields, Standard Bearer, Banner of the Eternal Flame

16 Darkshards - Full Command, Gleaming Pennant

SPECIAL - 358 Points

Cold One Knights - Full Command

Bolt Thrower

6 Shades with Great Weapons

Firstly named characters aren't allowed in most tournaments, and they have to many special rules to function in small armies, and they are expensive.. Very expansive, Fantasy you need to focus on your units till you hit 1600 Points, this is only what I would do if this is all you have, I would recommend other stuff, but this will teach you the basics of everything, good luck!

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Sorry for the edits, just like these forums and like helping out, here is an idea of a list that destroyed a 1000 Points list at a tournament open last month I was at, he came second.. And I didn't think that would be possible, but here is what he was using, it steam rolled me, so yeah.. Here it is (I asked after the game for his list so I could battle report on it, haha!):

LORDS - 200

Dreadlord - Dark Steed, Great Weapon, Heavy Armour, Dragonbane Gem, Sea Dragon Cloak

HEROES - 119 Points

Master - Dark Steed, Great Weapon, Heavy Armour, Sea Dragon Cloak

CORE - 420 Points

9x Dark Riders - Full Command, Repeater Crossbows, Shields

9x Dark Riders - Full Command, Repeater Crossbows, Shields

SPECIAL - 70 Points

Bolt Thrower

RARE - 250 Points

10x Doomfire Warlocks

Total - 999 Points

Was a fun list to play against to be honest, felt very Dark Elvish, and looked epic though!
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- 6000 Points worth of models
- 2000 of 6000 Points painted
- 1850 of 4000 Points in progress

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Re: New to WHFB, have painted Dark Elves models, need help

Post by simferno » Tue Dec 02, 2014 3:58 pm

I've bought a second hand version of the WHFB rulebook now. I'll read through it so I know the basic rules and special rules for my army. Then I'll testplay against a friend 1000 points and get a feel for the army etc.

I'll be aiming for a 2400 point army then and stop there.

For things to purchase I would mostly like to get the ones I like visually and concept wise but I can put up with buying one or two units that are good gameplay wise so I atleast stand a chance some of the time. I haven't come up with a playstyle/army concept yet though so I'll have to wait for that to emmerge on itself.

Thanks for the advice. I'll have to look into it further when I've read the general rulebook and the dark elves codex.

Also, I'm thinking of painting my new models in a "Dark forest" colour scheme using some pale dark greens and browns. Thoughts?

I'm using these as concept/inspiration pictures:
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Re: New to WHFB, have painted Dark Elves models, need help

Post by Honourblade » Tue Dec 02, 2014 5:34 pm

In general you can do anything you want regarding colour scheme and just say they are a particular house of Naggarond or something, make sure you dont ruin thier feel though, they are meant to be hard and cruel (Unless you have there own fluff, of course), so if you want to use a custom color try and do there black plate that colour and keep the gold embroidery or mix it into there colours, on their cloaks, stuff like that, with Elves you dont really want them looking like Wood Elves cause of an awesome colour scheme, as my Dark Elves (only 500 Points for a display case cause i was board once) are White Armour with Gold Trim and Midnight Blue cloaks with Pale Blue eyes, haha! Looks sexy. But now they look like spikey High Evles, so yeah..

As for the 2400 Point list let me know if you need a hand assembling a list to save money and stuff, I will generally focus on fluffy and Competitiveness, so just let us know :)

Good luck!
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- 6000 Points worth of models
- 2000 of 6000 Points painted
- 1850 of 4000 Points in progress

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Re: New to WHFB, have painted Dark Elves models, need help

Post by Todda » Thu Dec 04, 2014 10:04 am

I personally like smaller games. a 1K game is just fast and fun. I rarely do over 2K. I have played against Dark Elves with both my Skaven and Vampire Counts, but not the new army book, and found them pretty weak. The new book looks much better.

You need to do something about those bases. Goblin Green bases are what GW used to do in the 90s. It looked horrible back then and still looks horrible now.

I have only done Dark Elves and that was before the new army book came out, but it was 3 color coded blocks of 40 Warriors (each had 10 matching Repeating Crossbowmen).

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Re: New to WHFB, have painted Dark Elves models, need help

Post by Todda » Wed Dec 10, 2014 3:17 am

Most armies can do 500 point, but few players want to play many games down there. I would try for 1000 points if you could.
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